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Tue, Apr. 11th, 2006, 12:33 am Peer-Reviewed Global Warming
jhubert invited challengers to debate his assertion that: global warming (a) is real, (b) is at least partially caused by human activity, and (c) is going to be a serious problem in the decades to come.by pointing to contrary evidence in the peer-reviewed literature. My response was: If you want a bibliography, Crichton's novel and essays are probably a good starting point. For myself:
(a) Looking at a graph of the past 1000 years shows temperature averages go all over the place. Currently they're going up. From 1940 to 1970 they were going down, producing a flurry of ice age predictions. Lots of predictions that they'll keep going up are out there. When I've dug into them I've found they're based on computer models (having written a bunch this sets off my BS detector) by people who need voters to panic in order to get funding increases (no innocents in this story). So I take them with a large grain of salt.
(b) The basic idea makes sense, but it's hardly matching the data. Did 1940-1970 have a big decrease in CO2 emissions? I don't think so. Given that this is being grasped by a bunch of people who like giving governments more control over everything I don't have much hope of finding real data on the question.
(c) Y'know, I've NEVER seen anyone say "X is the optimum temperature for the planet" or even give a range. Lots of people say "There will be Change, and Change is Bad." I'm always amused by Canadians opposing global warming. You'd think they'd be subsidizing coal plant construction worldwide.
None of this, of course, is peer-reviewed. My professional experience has found peer-reviewed publications useless for supporting practical efforts so it's been nearly a decade since I last paid attention to one. Expanding on the last point a bit . . . I've tried using the official literature for my field, aerospace engineering, and usually been very disappointed. When I've had difficult problems I've done research and found lots of articles on the topic. As a rule, they all had simplifying assumptions which made the math easier but rendered it useless for practical purposes (i.e., the task the boss was breathing down my neck about). Peer-reviewers had no problem with this since the assumptions were clearly spelled out and the conclusions followed logically. But they were a waste of time for me. At a greater remove, I saw the academics churn out a flurry of papers on how SSTO was impossible and a waste of money when NASA was fighting off SDIO's (later DARPA's) attempt to build an SSTO rocket. Once that threat was gone and NASA had funding for X-33 to pursue its own SSTO the professional magazines filled up with articles by the same academics about how SSTO would be the breakthrough to save NASA and bring us into the Real Space Age. Were the first batch of papers wrong? No, they just had slightly different assumptions. All fine and dandy. So what was going on? These professors (and PhDs seeking tenure-track posts) got their funding from NASA or related government grant-givers. They wrote the papers that would make their funding source happy. Anyone who didn't discovered that the private sector wasn't such a bad place to wind up in after all. (They also discovered that few co-workers were as backstabbing as a colleague competing for tenure, or as arrogant as a professor who already had it.) How does this apply to global warming research? Climatologists need funding. Voters are much more supportive of research funds when they're afraid of major disasters. Bureaucrats favor research that justifies greater government control of the economy. And faculty cocktail parties are friendlier to researchers supporting the prevailing doctrines. So when in doubt climatologists are going to put in the assumptions that make their predictions lean toward a hot planet and overweight the impact of human activity. Nothing evil or malicious--just human beings responding to their incentives. But that's why I don't give more credence to "peer-reviewed" research as compared to other sources of data.
Tue, Apr. 11th, 2006 06:53 am (UTC)
rillifane

Well put. I'd add the following: In the early Middle Ages, northern Scandinavia was warm enough to raise summer wheat and grapes grew wild on the now perpetually chilly shores of Canada. How are we to account for the high temperatures of those days? Were Vikings driving gas guzzling longboats? But hell, I bought land in East Texas that I figure will be seaside property if the trends continue. Tough shit if you don't plan ahead. You're being way too charitable about the motivations of the global warming crowd. The whole issue is concocted to bring the credulous in on their attack on capitalism. I've been listening for the last half century to the Left come up with one reason after another to "prove" that if we don't surrender our freedom to them and allow the commissars to dictate our lives that the world will be going to hell. They knew, for an indisputable fact, that we'd be gripped by a global winter. They knew for an indisputable fact that we'd see mass starvation and the death of more than half the world population by 2000. They knew, for an indisputable fact, that we'd be out of oil, have no more raw materials, be dead from vast pandemics, etc etc. Every time they predict disaster they have a phalanx of scientists to "prove" its going to happen and they denigrate those who disagree as half wits and illiterates. Their solution is always the same, destroy capitalism, the free market, and the United States in particular. Tue, Apr. 11th, 2006 06:56 am (UTC)
tmc4242

Well said. Tue, Apr. 11th, 2006 06:55 am (UTC)
tmc4242

It's at this point that I usually mention ( completely without references ) that the sun is both a long and short period variable star. Energy input seems to be something that would be important to model. I'm not convinced it has been. I believe I've even seen suggestions that galactic cosmic ray flux could be playing a role in global temperatures. Oh - and the recent data from Mars that shows the polar ice caps melting much more than past years is fun too. Don't think man has done a thing to cause that. But I'm sure it's all our fault anyway... Tue, Apr. 11th, 2006 02:39 pm (UTC)
tepintzin

I quit believing in global warming after hooking up with americanstd who at the time was an agriculture student with a lot of meteorology under his belt. The above mention of how warm Scandanavia was in the Middle Ages is something that struck me too. Apparently there is a 500 year warming-cooling cycle, so reading about the weather in 1506 should be interesting. However neither Cortes nor Bernal del Castillo commented much on the heat being terrible in Mexico in 1519-1521, so I'm wondering if that just shows Europe was in a warm spell there too. Wed, Apr. 12th, 2006 11:37 am (UTC)
noumignon
I wish someone would put your perspective on peer-review into scientific form and do a study on it. Maybe the guy who did that study showing >50% of studies are wrong. Fri, Apr. 14th, 2006 04:34 pm (UTC)
selenite
Sat, Feb. 3rd, 2007 03:52 pm (UTC) (Anonymous)
Your comment "My professional experience has found peer-reviewed publications useless for supporting practical efforts so it's been nearly a decade since I last paid attention to one."
is a great explanation for your views.
Science, by definition, is all about peer-review. So when you claim not to use it, you are putting yourself in the category with sham-mans and soothsayers and other people who argue using ancient greek philosophies.
Here is a good link to help you understand how science works. http://www.senseaboutscience.org.uk/index.php/site/project/29/
but I have little hope you will really understand. For some reason, people who won't believe in global warming don't want to understand science. I don't quit get it, the evidence is worse for the world being round or HIV causing AIDS but you probably have chosen to believe that. I think you just believe what you want and the facts be dammed. And how do you argue with someone like that? If you think the world if flat, ok. But do realize, you make us look really stupid to the rest of the world. Most Americans don't believe in evolution or global warming. we are a country of uneducated people who think they can 'figure out the facts themselves' without any scientific basis. Sat, Feb. 3rd, 2007 05:13 pm (UTC)
libertarianhawk

Equating the peer-reviewed journals with all of science is a nifty category error. There's a lot more out there than the journals. Neither do I think the journals are totally without value, abstract theorizing can be worthwhile in itself. The essence of science is not peer review--it's testing the theory against the actual universe. The history of science is full of theories accepted by the entire academy done in by one heretic with some facts. Your comment is a lovely example of why the defenders of global warming make me doubt it. Resorting to ad hominem attacks in place of arguing the facts is the act of people who are insecure in their evidence and want to make it an article of belief. Fri, Apr. 13th, 2007 04:21 pm (UTC)
tepintzin

We listen to NPR in the mornings, and recently they've been about almost nothing but global warming. This made me think back to the ecology craze in the 70s...weren't we all supposed to have starved to death because of overpopulation by now? There's an eco-craze you don't hear about much anymore. I was listening to NPR going on about how Lake Meade is drying up because of global warming. It has nothing to do with the fact that 9,000 people move into the Las Vegas area every month, of course not. The whole "global warming" thing is really starting to make me want to strangle people, and I'm a organic food eating, plastic, glass and metal recycling, own food growing greenie. Wed, Sep. 19th, 2007 07:11 pm (UTC)
rhjunior

Except for aluminum, don't bother recycling. As reviewed in detail on Penn and Teller's "B.S." (ahem), it does nothing for the environment, wastes MORE resources and produces MORE pollutants than making new materials from scratch (recycling paper involves a LOT of icky chemicals), and serves no purpose except to keep you preoccupied sorting your trash and tranquilized with the feel-good sensation of "doing something." It's a pointless voodoo totem-- a security blanket for the ego. Or, as Penn and Teller put it, "Everybody got a gris-gris." Sun, May. 3rd, 2009 09:14 pm (UTC)
selenite
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