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Thu, Apr. 13th, 2006, 01:17 am State Diagram of the War
tepintzin commented "Until the invasion of Iraq, that country was not a hotbed of terrorism." in an earlier post and I'm trying to explain why I think that's totally irrelevant. I don't see the decision to invade Iraq as something like a criminal trial where the defendant is punished purely for his own actions. The strategy for a war has to be based on finding a way to end it with a better peace than we started with. I'll try explaining with a state diagram (readers familiar with them may skip ahead to the picture). An object (such as a switch, or elevator, or country, or planet) is in a "state", and can switch to other states depending on which state it's in now. A light switch can always go between "on" and "off". An elevator needs to go through the "stopped, door closed" state between "moving" or "door open." Here's some more info on how they work. So a simple state diagram for America would show it moving between "war" and "peace" as states. Here's a slightly more complex one to illustrate how I think we have to view the war: (The arrows show the possible changes from one state to another. The white ones are unstable. We'll keep changing among the white ones until we get to a grey end state, at which point the war will be over)  Before 9/11 we considered terrorism to be an Acceptable Level of Violence. Nothing that justified changing how we dealt with the world at home or abroad. But Moore's Law of Mad Scientists keeps working, so it gets easier to cause a major attack every year. The "acceptable level of violence" state isn't stable and we have to move to another, or someone will move us against our will. There are several different stable end states ways the war can end. Ideally we'd move into a world where Arab nations are free and healthy enough to share the planet with ( Peaceful, Democratic Neighbors). What various people are worrying about, including me, is ending the war by killing Arabs by the tens of millions ( Arabia Delenda Est). This would still be preferable to seeing sharia law imposed on America ( Global Caliphate). The worst case is a terror attack, or series of them, which would destroy the American people, followed by indiscriminate revenge ( Graveyard World). So what intermediate states will get us to a good end state instead of a bad one? Right now we're in Gunpoint Democracy, making Iraq a test case for turning Arabs into good neighbors. If we decide that democracy can't work in the MidEast and take over running things ourselves we get American Empire. Or we can say heck with it and go home. Fortress America relies on tight controls of borders and trade to stay safe. It'd also have ruthless surveillance of our own people and nasty punitive expeditions to retailiate for any attacks that do get through. That's if we keep the will to fight. Lose that and we're in Danegeld, probably not by making cash payments but enforcing blasphemy laws and allowing local sharia zones. There's some key assumptions going into this: 1. There isn't enough time to let the MidEast evolve into a democracy on its own before somebody cooks up a megadeath attack. 2. America doesn't have the willpower to maintain an empire. 3. Staying on the offensive will keep terrorists from launching a major attack against the US. 4. Islamofascism is powerful and agressive enough that we can't coexist with it. I favor Gunpoint Democracy as the option that gives us the best chance of getting the best outcome, and gets us as far as possible from the worst. Given that strategy we've got to start somewhere. Iraq (for many good reasons) was it.
Thu, Apr. 13th, 2006 08:14 am (UTC)
carbonelle

Lovely analysis. Just lovely. Thanks! Thu, Apr. 13th, 2006 01:28 pm (UTC)
noumignon
You are my favorite pro-Islam-fighting pundit right now. Victor Davis Hanson and Mark Steyn sometimes write things that make sense to me but they are missing something -- sincerity? The desire to persuade by explaining rather than convincing? Blogs rule.
In the explanation of the state diagrams the thing I didn't get right away was "Remember, if there is an arrow leading away from a state, that state is unstable and must end up somewhere else." I figured it out from your discussion, but originally I thought each arrow meant "causes", like "American Empire (leads to) Acceptable Levels of Violence." Thu, Apr. 13th, 2006 03:15 pm (UTC)
libertarianhawk

I added a little more explanation--I'm so used to these things I don't remember learning them. As for Hanson/Steyn, I think they're very sincere. Their handicap is they get paid to talk to hawks. If they try a different language to communicate with other people they lose their audience, then jobs. I can keep experimenting until I find some way to get my point across. Thu, Apr. 13th, 2006 02:02 pm (UTC)
ernunnos

Great post! Can you maybe label the vectors with the trigger events on the larger version? It makes it a little easier to understand at a glance without referring to the text. Might have to split the bidirectional vectors into individual ones to make that work. My only question and potential criticism so far is: what's the vector from "Danegeld" to "Acceptable Level of Violence"? I can't think of one, while I can think of one from "Danegeld" to "Fortress America" - revolt. Now that I mention it, I doubt we'd go directly to "Graveyard World" from that point either. At that point there'd be no way we'd have the will to retaliate on a mass scale. Thu, Apr. 13th, 2006 03:27 pm (UTC)
libertarianhawk

I had a version with trigger events and scrapped it--once you have multiple triggers for one state change it becomes unreadable. I might go back and do some expansion of part of it. The specific transitions are debatable, I figure we should treat this as open-source and try to improve it. For that specific change I figure a revolt from "Danegeld" could go several ways, including "Empire." But while the revolt is being fought out you'd effectively be in "Acceptable" since you'd have cut off payments/concessions while not being in a position to take offensive action. So you'd at least have a short stay in "Acceptable" before switching to "Fortress" with the revolt. Similarly, I don't think you can go straight from "Acceptable" to "Arabia Delenda Est" even if we got hit by a 9/11-squared attack. There'd be some time in "Fortress" purging domestic threats and making limited attacks before it got to all-out destruction. But that's certainly debateable. Thu, Apr. 13th, 2006 02:07 pm (UTC)
tepintzin

I prefer an option not on the list, since I think that in the Middle East most people are beasts who need to be penned. Let's leave democracy out of the equation entirely and keep in dictators. The US has always done this but abandoned the plan in the past 10-15 years. The two errors I see them consistently making (and this is making me do political theory at 0704 with no coffee in me) is that the CIA A. didn't pay enough attention to what said dictators were doing that scored on the Michael Jackson Crazy Meter that they should have stopped and B. didn't keep an eye on popular movements that ousted said leaders and continue to haunt us today. Simplistic comment, but looking at your diagram I still respectfully do not agree. I think democracy for the Middle East is a complete waste of time and that the invasion of Iraq involved ulterior motives on the part of the administration. Thu, Apr. 13th, 2006 03:23 pm (UTC)
ernunnos

The motives are really irrelevant to the states themselves. What you're talking about is "acceptable level of violence", and that state is unstable. The CIA is just folks. Cunning folks, with a lot of money, but not evil geniuses. There's no way they can totally predict or control what popular movements or maniacs will come to power. Especially when you throw in the destabilizing factor of religion. That's going to be a constant source of tension, as we can see in Saudi and Egypt. Eventually that tension will rise until we have to take overt action, be it withdrawal, empire, or trying to institute democracy. But staying in that state forever really isn't an option, as we learned on 9/11 when the Saudi tension broke on our shores. Sun, Apr. 16th, 2006 03:00 am (UTC)
radtea
But staying in that state forever really isn't an option, as we learned on 9/11 when the Saudi tension broke on our shores.Which is why you invade Peru? Sun, Apr. 16th, 2006 02:26 pm (UTC)
ernunnos

The problem's bigger than one nation. When you're faced with a mob and you don't have enough ammo for everyone, you shoot the strongest, most belligerent guy in the head, and ask "Who's next?" Sun, Apr. 16th, 2006 09:09 pm (UTC)
libertarianhawk

Invade someplace, not necessarily one with a four letter name. Ideally you have a strategy in mind and pick an objective which will help you get a better position for that strategy. For example, in WWII our response to Pearl Harbor was to invade Morocco. Thu, Apr. 13th, 2006 03:54 pm (UTC)
libertarianhawk

"Containment" is an option I considered and left out--there's too many different options on where to draw the lines. Couldn't figure out how to make it a useful diagram. I also think anything where the CIA is reliably competent has to be a different state from where we are now. I didn't expect to convince you with this, I'm more trying to explain why I disagree instead of just tossing back a "not." Thanks for explaining your views and being part of the discussion. Thu, Apr. 13th, 2006 07:36 pm (UTC)
carbonelle

But, even if you find that democracy in the Middle East is a complete waste of time, others (myself included) sincerely hope that it is not. Given that such others exist, why is it impossible--or even unlikely--that they exist in the Bush administration as well, including Pres. Bush himself? You don't have to agree with him: Just because a man is sincere, or idealistic; doesn't make him right. Wed, Aug. 29th, 2007 11:04 pm (UTC)
jordan179
I prefer an option not on the list, since I think that in the Middle East most people are beasts who need to be penned.I agree. An old friend of mine, back in the 1980's, called this "cultural immaturity" and pointed out that the culturally immature need to be kept under control. At the time I didn't fully understand what he meant -- now I do. Thu, Apr. 13th, 2006 04:21 pm (UTC)
songofapollo

I see the threat as trifling. They blew their wad on one (brilliant) attack that killed fewer people than we lose to crime in a year. And they haven't pulled off an attack against us since. What's the deal? I see the enemy as remarkably small and weak, and therefore your assumption #4 seems like a huge leap. Thu, Apr. 13th, 2006 04:29 pm (UTC)
ernunnos

When you have a brittle system all you need is one little flaw to bring the whole thing crashing. Humanity's demand for energy makes the modern world a very brittle system. Never mind cars, there are a billion people on the planet who would starve without petroleum-based fertilizers. Yes, the mideast is not the only source of petroleum, but the fact that the demand is so high and inelastic and the mideast is such a large portion of supply gives people who can merely disrupt that supply an inordinately large amount of power. Thu, Apr. 13th, 2006 07:34 pm (UTC)
carbonelle

Could it be that, having brought the war to their shores, they're having to scramble? Wed, Sep. 19th, 2007 08:17 pm (UTC)
rhjunior

They haven't pulled off an attack against us in AMERICA... largely because we're currently pressing them HARD. However there have been over 9,000 lethal Islamic terrorist attacks worldwide, just since 9-11-01. (this number does not count battlefield casualties, such as in Iraq or Afghanistan.) http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Iran, an Islamic nation, is currently led and run by Islamic fanatics who believe the arrival of the Last Imam--- an Islamic Messiah figure-- will be triggered by a global holocaust. They already have plutonium, and are literally a matter of months away from building their first nuke. Do you GET that? The religion of Kablooie, that killed 3,000 people in one day with a handful of box cutters and 19 airline tickets, is about to trade in its box cutters and airline peanuts for ATOMIC WEAPONS.Still feel safe? Thu, Apr. 13th, 2006 08:43 pm (UTC)
infrogmation: "stable end states"?

I see no reason to assume stability for any of those options other than "Graveyard World". Thu, Apr. 13th, 2006 09:02 pm (UTC)
libertarianhawk: Re: "stable end states"?

Yeah, the jargon terms are unclear in this context. Let me try to clarify: The grey states are "end states" in that they mark the end of the war between American Democracy and Islamofascism. Further changes would exit this diagram. Even in the "Peaceful, Democratic Neighbors" state there will be future wars and social upheavals, but I don't know how to represent them, and even if I did it would make the diagram too complex to be a useful tool. Fri, Jun. 23rd, 2006 11:25 pm (UTC)
selenite
Mon, Dec. 4th, 2006 07:13 pm (UTC) (Anonymous)
Arab dictatorships/Islamic governments cannot compete with the west. Cannot.
What would win this battle over night would be to remove our dependence on Middle Eastern Oil. Suddenly the props. would be knocked out from under disfunctional Arab society. It would defund the entire Jihadi machine.
There would then be only two viable economic models left - western style democracy and Chinese style dictatorship/capitalism. The both require a de-emphasis of religion to function.
I think Western Europe needs to open their borders to South American immigrants in a big way. They are much more able to assimilate than Muslims.
Wed, Aug. 29th, 2007 11:09 pm (UTC)
jordan179
“By definition, terrorism is a surprise armed attack on unarmed people going about the business of life,” the professor said. “The people who do it to us have up to now rightly assumed that we will not do it to them. We have attempted to build legal cases against the perpetrators, have tried to find and arrest those we believe responsible and bring them to justice. When we have actually identified terrorists, we have launched military expeditions to kill or apprehend them. This is like trying to shoot fleas with a cannon. We need to turn the world upside down. We need to declare war on the terrorists. We need to attack them, attack those who fund and support them -- we need to attack the obsolete theocracy that spawns these agents of the devil.”
The professor paused to ensure he had the attention of every member of the committee, then said, “If confirmed by the senate, I will undertake to attack and destroy the terrorists with terror.” He warmed to his subject. “The only way to put a stop to terror is to defeat the clerics, to break their hold on the people. We will target the mosques. We will wait until they are full of people, then flatten them with cruise missiles. We will randomly attack hospitals and schools, markets, shops and factories, basically disrupt life until the people are reduced to abject poverty and starvation, without medical facilities or clean water or transportation or communication. The clerics will either be dead or powerless.” Great stuff. IMO, if the Islamicists want to do their worst against us, we should do our worst against them. The fact that "our worst" includes PGM, FAE and H-bombs simply means that the Islamicists picked a foolish fight. In fact, the reason I don't think that Dan Simmons' scenario will occur is that, long before then, we'll have become furious enough to take off the velvet gloves and give them 9-11 Quarter. |