Fri, Sep. 22nd, 2006, 12:35 am
Visions of Families

Various people have been discussing an essay by Doug Muder. "Red Family, Blue Family" looks at the cultural clashes in America as a product of two different ways of structuring a family. Muder uses this to come up with a new approach for persuading lower income conservatives to support liberal issues.

First I want to think him for writing this article, one which looks at political opponents as reasonable people with different goals and assumptions about how the world works, not simply stupid or evil. He's also willing to acknowledge that his preferred policies have costs for other people and discuss the tradeoff in making decisions. This is the kind of civil discussion we need to have for healthy politics in this country.

I recommend reading the whole essay, but I'll describe his key points. "Red Families" work by the Inherited Obligation (IO) model. This is the traditional family, where everyone has duties assigned to them at birth to each of their relatives. This includes the duty to marry—and carry out the duties of a husband OR wife, as appropriate—and have kids to carry out your duties after you. The roles are defined so "husband" and "wife" each have specific duties to carry out and are not interchangeable with each other. There's no outside force picking up the slack, so if anyone falls down on the job the whole extended family suffers as they carry the load.

A "Blue Family" uses a Negotiated Commitment (NC) model. This allows the greatest possible freedom to all individuals. All relationships except with children are defined by the agreement of the participants. Children must be taken care of but this is a gift, with no reciprocal obligations laid on the child. Any set-up is fine as long as everyone involved is happy. Since some people can't create relationships, or have existing ones fail, the government has to provide a safety net to take care of them.

This model does a good job of explaining how the parties break down on our hot-button political issues:

  Inherited Obligation Negotiated Commitment
Abortion Duty to raise children Relationships must be voluntary
Gun Control A gun is part of the duty to protect your family A gun coerces someone into a bad relationship
Gay Marriage A husband's duties must be done by a man. A wife's duties must be done by a woman. Two adults should be free to do as they want
Welfare Encourages people to abandon their family obligations Keeps people from being coerced into bad relationships

Clearly the difference between the models is a spectrum, with polyamorists at the NC end and those practicing arranged marriages at the other. NC people often use the IO model as "menu" to start from. There's always been pressure for people in IO families to break out and make their own choices. Lots of great literature has come from it. My favorite is Fiddler On the Roof. The plots are driven by the daughters seeking to negotiate exceptions to their inherited obligations, which shakes Tevye the point where he tries to renegotiate his relationship with his wife in "Do You Love Me?"

The IO and NC models don't describe everyone. Muder is conflating two variables in defining them. Deciding to negotiate your own relationships doesn't require you to trust in the government. Nor is avoiding government support inherent in having predefined roles. There's really two different issues here. People can define their own roles or have them assigned by tradition or government decree. Separately, the responsibility for taking care of people can rest with individuals or the state. If we graph that we see four options rather than Muder's two:

  Responsibility
    Individual State
Roles Defined
Inherited Obligation
(Conservative)
New Soviet Man
(Socialist/Totalitarian)
Negotiated
?
(Libertarian)
Negotiated Commitment
(Liberal)

[This looks much like other diagrams people use to display political views.]

Those are ranges, of course. Few libertarians favor letting the unlucky starve to death and few liberals want the government to fund every insane concept out there. But I want to separate out the issues to make it clear that there's more choices available than the ones Muder discussed. It also shows why I worry about giving more power to the government. Britain is already contemplating using the power of the National Health Service to decree who can and can't be parents, I'd hate to see how the power to assign roles could be abused by a stronger government.

My personal views are clearly on the "Negotiated Roles" side. I've even predicted the success of gay marriage and polyamory over the long term based on the trends I've seen. The IO family has a functional purpose in protecting people from starvation through mutual reliance, but as our society becomes richer there's less need for that. At the same time the chance to enjoy new relationships, or move elsewhere for business reasons, pull people out of their IO connections. So I agree with Muder that the IO model is crumbling. But I'm not as sure as him that the NC model he presents is the best one possible.

I certainly think it's an important issue for us to debate. Muder and Frank focus much of their anger on poor and middle-class red-states who vote on cultural issues instead of supporting the liberal economic agenda which is intended to help them. I've never grasped why they assume everyone should base their votes on economic issues instead of cultural ones. George Soros isn't voting his pocketbook. If we had a proportional representation voting system Kansas farmers could cast their vote for a socially-conservative, economically-liberal party. As it is they have to pick one of the two parties we've got. [And as an aside, some people vote against liberal economic proposals because they think they won't work, not because they hate poor people] So they have to choose which issues to base their vote on. The cultural issues aren't as settled as Muder would like them to. We need to make some important decisions about them as a nation. What kind of families do we want to support?

Muder makes a point of the high divorce rate among "red" families as something that can be used to highlight the superiority of NC over IO. But a divorce means something very different in each system. In IO it means someone has failed in meeting his/her obligations, either trying to run away from them or recognizing that a partner has failed so utterly that they have to be cut loose. This is "fault based" divorce. The innocent newly single person stays in the church and gets sympathy about what a louse the ex was. This is seen as a deviation from the ideal because of one person's failings.

In an NC divorce, there's no "wronged" party. It's simply another change in the agreed commitments. People strive for amicable "good" divorces and avoid struggling over "custody of the friends." Gossip avoids blaming one member more than the other. To IO observers this looks like both members of the marriage failing in their obligations. If one was even trying she'd be trying to stir up some peer pressure to get him to remember his duties. It's an example that's making it worse for them by setting bad examples for the people tempted to abandon their marriages. To the IO model they aren't failing their marriages, they weren't married in the first place, and it casts doubt on what the marriages around them are like.

Conversely, a lot of NC marriages may be held together by social isolation. If you moved to the other coast for a new job and know no one there you're going to stick with your partner rather than be totally alone. IO spouses may feel freer to divorce because they have a network of other ties to fall back on.

Muder wants to have the relative success of IO and NC families judged by statistics of social problems—divorce, teen pregnancy, crime, etc. But since he's a liberal it's safe to assume he's opposed to Creationism and Intelligent Design. Let's look at how IO and NC compare in evolutionary terms. IO families have a much higher birth rate. It's one of their duties. They're doing it well—the states supporting Bush had much higher birth rates than Kerry's supporters did.

NC families are much more likely to have one or no children. Muder explained at length why he and his wife have no children. But that means the blue states have to sustain their populations through converting immigrants to their way of life (Maybe all those farm subsidies to the red states are intended to encourage having more children who'll go to liberal universities and never go home). Even with converting people who grew up in IO families and accepting most of the immigrants from overseas the blue states have been losing the population race with the red ones. This shows up in the reapportionment after each census. Western Europe is doing even worse with the NC model—they're not having children and taking in immigrants who refuse to assimilate.

If we were looking at a struggle for survival between two species wanting the same habitat the odds would seem to favor the red one. Regardless of how enlightened the blue critters may be, if they don't have kids they're on the path to extinction. For people who teach evolution so fervently they sure don't practice it.

I'm unhappy about that. I like the NC model. I think it's made my life much happier than it would be otherwise, and I want to give my children the freedom to improve their lives. I don't think we can go back to the IO model either. IO is designed for people who are born into it. Immigrants have had to build ties when moving to a new land, which is why it's so common for people from IO cultures to form tight clusters with people from the same country (as my grandparents did with other Irish immigrants in Islip, NY). Churches and fraternal organizations provided meeting places and reinforcement for those bonds. But the Masons and other fraternal orders are greying and many churches are losing membership. The old structures aren't surviving as more people shift to NC lives. And one people make that change they can't switch back. IO communities can lose their cohesion if they let in people they can't depend on, or who don't know all the unspoken rules. So people who grew up in NC communities, or moved to one as an adult, "can't go home again." It's an attractive idea—stories such as Where the Heart Is center on just that fantasy—but it's rare in practice. Megachurches are a modern attempt to try to create such communities but haven't been able to fight how the mobility of today breaks bonds apart.

I think we need to recognize that the Negotiated Commitment structure we have today is a transitional state. We have to come up with something new that assures that children and parents will be supported by their community. Enough support to give that culture an edge in the Darwinian competition.

There's a lot of exploring in making that happen—intentional community, polyamory, and other "family of choice" groups—but they're fighting uphill against the pressure pulling people apart. The internet lets us connect over long distances but to have mutual assistance that holds families together requires being there, in person, able to change a diaper or give someone a lift. When people form such bonds the greatest threat is someone being pulled away by a new job elsewhere. The more of an economic contribution someone can make to a community, the more likely he/she is to be yanked elsewhere. If we can move from the current big-company sit-in-the-office/factory model to one with more telecommuting and cottage industry I think we could have more healthy families.

Fri, Sep. 22nd, 2006 12:03 pm (UTC)
[info]rillifane

An excellant post with a lot of very interesting points. But its 7 AM and I haven't been to sleep yet so I should probably get some shut eye before trying to comment on anything so complex.

Fri, Sep. 22nd, 2006 01:24 pm (UTC)
[info]soldiergrrrl

Considering how dismissive the essay on children is, I'm disinclined to look at him much further.

Just me, though. I might point John over here.

Fri, Sep. 22nd, 2006 09:03 pm (UTC)
[info]libertarianhawk

I'd be interested in John's take.

Fri, Sep. 22nd, 2006 01:55 pm (UTC)
[info]tepintzin

Wow! This is a lot of interesting stuff to chew on, and I again recommend the book "Crunchy Cons" for more fodder.

One reason I could never embrace the IO model is my antipathy to "biology is destiny". My reason for that is personal; I would die in a traditional female gender role. I know lots of other women who feel the same way, and the fact that I'll bet there are men who'd like to take on the gender roles we don't want is the driving reason why I'm a feminist, and why I became a libertarian.

I have to get ready for work, though I'll keep noodling about this essay of yours because I like it. I will say that while IO families have more children, I do wonder if that birth rate is sustainable. It's been shown that immigrants from cultures that have a lot of kids stop doing so once they get to the States. While right-wingers who I won't dignify with the name "conservative" will blame liberal values, I'll point to cost of living and the fact that all those kids just aren't needed for anything.

I know there's a new pronatalist push in very conservative--dare I say retro?--families. I can't imagine too many girls growing up in those are going to automatically want to follow in Mom's footsteps just as immigrants don't. Unless they are systematically denied education, which is something I was writing about in the whole "Prairie Muffin" kick I went on.

Fri, Sep. 22nd, 2006 09:06 pm (UTC)
[info]libertarianhawk

"Crunchy Cons" has been on my "maybe I should" list, though their blog didn't impress me and has since died AFAIK. I'll move it up a few notches.

I think IO is only sustainable in isolation and agrarianism. But I figure whatever "purple" family structure we create will have to be pronatalist or go the way of the dodo.

Fri, Sep. 22nd, 2006 10:11 pm (UTC)
[info]tepintzin

By "pronatalist" I mean being massively into traditional gender roles and "biology is destiny". Human replacement rate is only 2 kids per couple after all, and it's my experience that most married couples (straight or not) want that. Often they'd like more and are limited by finances or other circumstances.

The financial barrier is of course one of the things I'd hope achieving libertarian goals would remove. Sure there are always people who want to be childfree, but lighten the financial load and other people would probably be happy to pick up the reproductive slack.

Since you read both my and [info]desert_vixen's LJs, you know how much anything that smacks even a little bit of railroading women into "babymaking" sends us into a froth--and she's a mom!

Mon, Sep. 25th, 2006 06:02 pm (UTC)
[info]libertarianhawk

I haven't run into "pro-natalist" as a label so I just too it as the literal "favoring births." We do have to get the birth rate above 2.1 if we want to keep the population level. And I do think it would be a good idea to keep the number of sane, educated people from getting too far behind some of less modern groups out there.

The financial barrier doesn't hit us personally as much as the lack of social ties. It's hard to find a babysitter we can trust (it was impossible in Los Angeles). We're too far from other relatives to get help from them. And there's a lot of "grown up" activity that having kids can get you excluded from. So the obstacles to enjoying parenthood can't be solved with a check (though I'll happily take donations).

I'm also very opposed to "railroading" people into parenthood. I've got the very NC view that "some jobs are so important they should only be done by volunteers."

Wed, Oct. 4th, 2006 10:28 pm (UTC)
[info]joyeuse13

I'm sure the only reason I do well in some traditional female roles--sewing, cooking, teaching--is that I got to choose how and when to do them.

Fri, Sep. 22nd, 2006 03:16 pm (UTC)
[info]noumignon

I wouldn't have guessed that the same person wrote the childlessness essay and

The Negotiated Commitment model offers them very little in exchange for the effort and expense that they put into parenting. They don’t have to do it, and they can’t demand that children reciprocate after they grow up. Most liberal parents understand the situation. But they volunteer to raise children anyway. Liberals join the Peace Corps, work in soup kitchens, and stand together with unpopular oppressed peoples rather than walking away from. Why? Because liberals are serious, committed people.

"Not me, though. Kids are too hard!"

Economics and ideology work much faster than evolution, which is how Negotiated Commitment got going in the first place. It could win out. Just like we believe in gravity, but we don't practice it -- we fly when we want to.

Fri, Sep. 22nd, 2006 09:07 pm (UTC)
[info]libertarianhawk

As an aerospace engineer I assure you defying gravity requires lots of practice and attention to it. :)

Right now the NC model is to evolution as strapping large sheets of cardboard to your wings is to flying. It's going to take some hard work to make it successful.

Wed, Oct. 4th, 2006 10:31 pm (UTC)
[info]joyeuse13

I think it's odd to claim that the NC type families don't require reciprocal responsibilities from children. Isn't that kind of the point? They can negotiate what kinds of responsibilities are feasible and desirable, and how they can best be carried out. I fully expect to support my mom in her old age, and she raised me with that expectation.

Thu, Oct. 5th, 2006 03:57 pm (UTC)
[info]libertarianhawk

"Require" may be the key word there. There's no one in Atlanta who'll ostracise you if you don't carry out your end of the agreement. Same with my parents--they have no way to enforce whatever we negotiate because I'm completely separated from the rest of the extended family.

Fri, Sep. 22nd, 2006 08:12 pm (UTC)
[info]carbonelle: Lets hhrow in some free enterprise into the mix, shall we?

many churches are losing membership.

Not, as far as I can tell, what would be the IO-model churches. Thus IO model familes dealing with modern technological barriers to familial unity may find support therein. Big "maybe," I know.

My own family: Mom an immigrant with big sister already married and staying put, Dad career Navy are virtual models for the splits in physical presence caused by the modern world's demands.

But the IO model (such as it is) in which everyone who hits a hard spot can count on other family members to chip in until (if) they get back on their feet (with the understanding that the mutual obligations and duties are as much a part of love as all the squishy goodies) has played out in our lives.

Because families, even if they start with very little monetary capital, with loads of cultural capital (and no serious disasters) are, in the U.S. usually quite successful as a whole, and can support the leave-time and travel costs that may also be a part of "chipping in."

Just a quick speculation... it's an interesting model and leaves me with more to chew on than I've actually digested!



Mon, Sep. 25th, 2006 06:03 pm (UTC)
[info]libertarianhawk: Re: Lets hhrow in some free enterprise into the mix, shall we?

I think it's the churches which have moved to the NC attitudes which are losing members, yes.

Sat, Sep. 30th, 2006 10:42 am (UTC)
[info]dbroussa: Re: Lets hhrow in some free enterprise into the mix, shall we?

I am not sure that I agree with you on this. Perhaps one of the best examples of the NC model church is the Catholic Church. Membership is steady (growing in some areas). Some of that is immigration, but it is also natural progression. The Catholic Church is, in many ways, the best NC model because the personality of the church leaders have little to do with the attendence. Most Protestant churches rely on the charisma of the pastor to draw in/keep members. When an attendee doesn't like the service they go to a different church. Catholicism doens't really work that way.

Sat, Sep. 30th, 2006 10:44 am (UTC)
[info]dbroussa: Re: Lets hhrow in some free enterprise into the mix, shall we?

Grr. I got my acronyms backwards...and thus interpreted backwards what you wrote. *sigh*

Sat, Sep. 23rd, 2006 04:41 am (UTC)
[info]stevenehrbar

I think you seriously misjudge the reason for the difficulty for people to (re)join the IO life. There's a reason that, for example, the Mormons are heavily salted with converts, and the Evangelicals name themselves after the effort to win converts. It's just that someone has to be truly unhappy with NC life in order to successfully join IO life; if they are happy with NC life, then after trying to join an IO community on an NC basis, they will go back to NC life.

Mon, Sep. 25th, 2006 06:04 pm (UTC)
[info]libertarianhawk

That's a very good point. I need to think about that some more.

Sat, Sep. 23rd, 2006 08:26 pm (UTC)
[info]firedrake_mor

I may be going out on a limb here, but I believe part of the problem with the "NC" family structure is that there is no longer a basic assumption by society (under this model) of public participation in life, much less an understanding of private life. I suppose you could say I grew up in very much an "IO" type of family, and, on visiting them in Alabama last year for the first time in 17 years I was struck by how supportive and loving they all seemed, even if I did see a few cracks here and there.

I contrast the support they give to my 85-year-old Aunt, and the number of times they visit her (their grandmother and great-grandmother), with the family of another friend, who has real trouble getting her kids to visit their 85-year-old grandmother, and she lives only three blocks away.

Perhaps there needs to be a structured set of assumption/obligations to serve as a basis for a further set of negotiated commitments. What we see with generational changes now is who groups of children not proceeding from the same societal assumptions as their parents, I feel largely because the parents have left the chore of installing values in their children to the public schools, leaving the kids without a sense of what's expected of them. Thus the parents, who are busy working on their perceived obligations to the kids, are not seeing a reciprocal set of commitments from the kids, because there's been no negotiations.

In summary: there can be no negotiated commitment without a baseline set of assumptions from which to proceed.

Wed, Oct. 4th, 2006 10:35 pm (UTC)
[info]joyeuse13

parents have left the chore of installing values in their children to the public schools

Hear, hear!

Sat, Sep. 30th, 2006 10:36 am (UTC)
[info]dbroussa

I did read the article and found it to be in the vein of most of its type. It took a hypothesis (The non traditional form of "marriage" is better, or at least equivalent, to the traditional form). It then goes down any length to prove that hypothesis. Examples, the toss off line If you pick at random a red state, a blue state, and an index of moral decay -- drop-out rate, divorce, teen pregnancy, murder, whatever -- odds are that the blue state is significantly better off than the red state. [1]
and then Divorce statistics broken down by religion (conservative Baptists have the most, with liberal Christians doing much better and agnostics and atheists best of all)
Both offer statistical "proof" of the author's claims without bothering to do any statistical breakdown of what the numbers mean. I would research the first (it has a nice footnote) but the link does not work. The second however does and has a glaring problem.

It shows that divorce in religious groups is higher then that in liberal Christians or non-believers. But here is a problem. How many in those groups never get married and thus never get divorced? If you factor in the number of non-marriages and their break-up rate I wonder what those "divorce" rates would really look like.